I'm curious - what does that tell you?

Becasue rabbit ears no longer work, a lot of rednecks just got Cable or Dish......

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I have to disagree with you on this. Vehemently.
1. I have yet to talk to a "conservative" or "Libertarian" who is anti-governemnet---they are anti-dumbmass-goverment big spending. (yeah there are anarchist's out there, but they are on the lib side
2. Conservatives and Libertarians are 100% in favor of LEGAL immigration. Follow the rules and come on down. You are the next contestant on the price is right. We are also (massive generalization there) 100% against ILLEGAL immigration. Illegals, go home, please. Fill out the paperwork, then come back.
3. President O'Bama's race is not the issue. I think it is great we have a black man as President. Personally I would rather have had Wanda Sykes in office, I would watch every statement to see what she said next. While I disagree with some of her stances, she is one of the funniest people on the 3rd rock.
4. Whose' common sense? Liberal's common sense is generally atrociously wrong. Their policies fail routinely only rescued by our pocketbooks. Their core beliefs are essentially Socialist/Marxist, and those ideals fail daily.

The Beckpalinbachmanites are growing because they are not pushing a republican agenda. They are pushing the rules and ideals that helped make our country great. As the layers peal off the Big O, more folks are seeing that he is in fact a raging, Socialist/Marxist who thinks only government can make our decisions.

your 'discussion' seems like a bunch of raging generalizations on the liberal world view...

as i said, i know there are a ton of smart conservative/libertarian people out there, but these are not the people that the palins out there are trying to get fired up for political gain. look at the palin election rallies last year with shouts to "kill him" in reference to obama. look at the tea parties and town hall meetings. just google 'stupid tea party signs' and youll get hundreds of pictures of people like i described, anti-government/immigration/brown people/common sense. like it or not these people are the face of the conservative/libertarian movement at the moment. i fully acknowledge that they dont represent the majority, or even all the same ideas, but they are the face of the movement and that turns off a lot of moderates and independents.

my main point was that these people seem to be cutting loose so called 'RINO's' with wreckless abandon, and i think its a losing strategy to alienate a decent portion of your moderate constituency, just because they dont agree with 100% of your ideas. i doubt there are enough of the bachman-ites out there to win many elections.

...except in the south.

if "teabaggers" are turning moderate and independent voters away than why did voters just put in two republicans into office (New Jersey and Virginia)?



well said

Google the stupid liberal signs also. There are dumba$$ in each of the group.

Thanks for the segway to a great point. Scumbags did yell 'kill him' and scumbags got tossed and were reprimanded for that behavior. Conservatives (with class) will not accept nor condone such behavior. It is flat out wrong. Those activities were also highlighted by the media and pushed as the norm.
Did you hear about the poll on FB asking about wacking O'Bama? It was immediately and rightly shut down.

Did you hear about the multiple pages that were on FB for wacking W? or the Kill Bush signs at protests? Probably not.

The fact is, you have extremest wackjobs on either side. It's your job to find out what the truth is.

Good question Brian. Further, I think the national polling shows that independents are deserting Obama in droves (though I don't have the numbers handy).

please find me a video of palin denouncing the people yelling 'kill him' at the rallies. it doesnt exist. she could have immediately said something to quell that kind of behavior but didnt, because she needed those people to get elected.

i know there are total wack jobs on all sides of the political spectrum. i never said there werent. im just saying that wack jobs are the face of the libertarian movement right now. look at glenn beck. hes pretty much the defacto leader of the movement right now, and for every minute of rational discussion about individual responsibility and reduced gov spending he has on air, there are probably 5 of him claiming that the secretary of education is trying to make your child gay, or that FEMA has constructed death camps to enslave the populace. or that obama has a deep seated hatred for whites and white culture. or that acorn is some multinational organization headed by dr evil designed to undermine your freedom and enslave your wives.

Finally, someone gets what we are saying. Thanks U1ock!

Link to the Huffington post. Kill Him is yelled, and it refers to the Wevwend Wright.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/0 ... 32366.html

From the Washington post:
"Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," Palin said.

"Boooo!" said the crowd.

"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

Palin went on to say that "O'Bama held one of the first meetings of his political career in Bill Ayers's living room, and they've worked together on various projects in Chicago." Here, Palin began to connect the dots. "These are the same guys who think that patriotism is paying higher taxes -- remember that's what Joe Biden had said.

Another twist:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/6/22537/3821

I am still looking, but the only time documented I have found where Kill Him is shouted, refers to the terrorist Bill Ayers, who was part of a group that bombed the pentagon.

EDIT>
After I posted I found this little gem of a blog. Read the conclusion and then some of the comments. It is, well, interesting.
http://wonkette.com/403300/palin-riles- ... kill-obama

This hypothetical Obama voter who is now disappointed and wants his vote for Republicans to send a message to Dems wouldn't want an exit pollster to know exactly why they voted Republican??? I have tried to think through this from several angles and I just cannot see it.

IMO, the elections on Tuesday were about voter turnout and state-level issues. Virginia was always going to be a loss for Dems and NJ was a slight upset.

The congressional race in upstate NY was actually a bigger deal in that the PalinBeckLimbaughBachman's poured all their support into it and scared the hell out of the locals thereby costing Repubs what had been a safe seat. That along with another special election in CA actually have given Pelosi 2 more votes to work with in the House just in time to vote on health care. Way to go teabaggers!

"Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem."

- Ronald Reagan

Absofreakinlutely!!!